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Journal of Alzheimer's Disease. 2000; 2(3-4): 289-301.
Brent Passer1*, Luca Pellegrini1*, Claudio Russo2, Richard M. Siegel3,
Michael J. Lenardo3, Gennaro Schettini2, Martin Bachmann4, Massimo Tabaton5
& Luciano D'Adamio1,6
1T-cell apoptosis Unit, Laboratory of Cellular and Molecular Immunology,
NIAID, National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, Maryland 20892; 2Section
of Pharmacology and Neuroscience, IST, CBA and Dept. of Oncology Univ. of
Genova, Genova, Italy; 3Laboratory of Immunology, NIAID, National Institutes
of Health, Bethesda, Maryland 20892, 4Cytos Biotechnology AG / ETH Zurich,
Wagistrasse 21, CH-8952, Zurich-Schlieren, Switzerland; 5Istituto di Anatomia
Umana and Dipartimento di Neuroscienze, Universita' di Genova, via De Toni
10, 16132 Genova, Italy; 6Present address, Albert Einstein College of Medicine,
Dept. of Microbiology & Immunology, 1300 Morris Park Avenue, Bronx,
N.Y. 10461
*B.P. and L.P. have equally contributed to this work.
Address correspondence to Luciano D'Adamio, Albert Einstein College of
Medicine, Dept. of Microbiology & Immunology, 1300 Morris Park Avenue,
Bronx, N.Y. 10461
Alzheimer's disease (AD) is believed to be caused by extracellular deposition
of amyloidogenic forms of Aβ peptide (Aβ42)
(1,
2).
Aβ derives from cleavage of APP by β- and γ-secretase
(3)
(Fig. 1A, upper panels). This hypothesis of AD pathogenesis, known as "amyloid hypothesis", has found further
support by the identification of the three genes linked to familial forms of AD (FAD). The first discovered
was APP, the protein from which Aβ is derived (4).
The others are presenilin-1 (PS1) and -2 (PS2), two highly homologous proteins
that are required for γ-secretase activity and might indeed be the γ-secretase
(5,
6,
7,
8,
9).
Of more importance, presenilins and APP point mutations found in FAD patients
augment APP processing and the formation of amyloidogenic Aβ (1,
2,
10,
11).
Extensive evidence has also supported a role for presenilins and APP
in programmed cell death (PCD). A dominant negative PS2 fragment, named
ALG-3, was shown to inhibit apoptosis (12).
This COOH-terminal PS2 fragment contains the second aspartate residue that
is essential for γ-secretase activity (9)
and codes for a dominant negative repressor of γ-secretase activity (13).
Depletion of PS2 protein levels by antisense RNA has been shown to protect
cells against death (14).
Conversely, overexpression of presenilins increased apoptosis (14).
Moreover, FAD-associated mutations in presenilins and APP enhanced the pro-apoptotic
activity of these molecules (14,
15,
16).
Lastly, apoptosis induced by APP requires Presenilins (14).
Together, these data suggest an alternative model for the pathogenesis of
AD. According to this hypothesis, neurodegeneration in AD is facilitated
by enhanced susceptibility of neurons to apoptotic stimuli.
The "amyloid" and "apoptotic" theories need not be
mutually exclusive. An attractive possibility is that APP processing may
generate peptides that regulate PCD. This hypothesis provides a unifying
model of these two apparently conflicting theories of Alzheimer's pathogenesis
and is supported by the following findings. Conditions that increase the
generation of the amyloidogenic form of Aβ, such as those with Alzheimer's
mutation in presenilins and APP, also promote cell death. Conversely, circumstances
that inhibit apoptosis, such as overexpression of ALG-3, also repress γ-secretase
activity (13).
In this paper we show that the COOH-terminal APP intracellular domain,
herein termed AID, liberated after cleavage of APP by γ-secretase acts as
a positive regulator of apoptosis. Thus, overproduction of AID, as in AD,
might cause the neurodegeneration process observed in Alzheimer's patients.
To investigate the role of γ-secretase activity and APP processing in
PCD, we initially studied cell death induced by Fas-associated death domain
protein (FADD) (12).
Transfection of FADD induced PCD in a dose- and temporal-dependent manner
(Fig. 2A). While APP alone had negligible consequences, it augmented apoptosis
triggered by FADD (3 mg) (Fig. 2A) and induced significant cell death when
cotransfected with non-toxic doses of FADD (0.3 and 1 mg) (Fig. 2A). Assessing
the cleavage of poly [ADR-ribose] polymerase (PARP) by cell death protease
known as caspases (18) also corroborated these
results. By 8 hrs, PARP was completely processed in cells transfected with
the combination of APP and FADD (3 mg) as compared to approximately 60%
cleavage in cells expressing FADD alone (Fig. 2B).
APP is first cleaved by β-secretase, giving rise to C99 (Fig. 1A, upper
left panel). Alternatively, APP can be cleaved by a-secretase within the
Aβ domain, generating a COOH-terminal membrane bound molecule of 83 amino
acids (C83) (Fig. 1A, lower left panel). Processing of C99 and C83 fragments
by the γ-secretase results in the release and secretion of Aβ and P3, respectively
(19,
20).
Concomitantly, a putative intracellular product that we referred to as APP
Intracellular Domain (AID) should be generated (Fig. 1A, upper and lower
right panels). Such a peptide has so far never been described. We asked
whether these processed intermediates of APP were responsible for the apoptotic
phenotype observed above. Constructs encoding for C99 and C83 were transfected
either alone or with FADD. Neither C83 nor C99 induced PCD when expressed
alone and only C99 synergized with FADD in inducing apoptosis (Fig. 2C and
D). Interestingly, we observed the appearance of a shorter COOH-terminal
APP fragment in C99 transfected cells, whose pattern of immunoreactivity
and molecular weight was consistent with that of AID (Fig. 2E and F, left
panel). This fragment was absent in C83 transfected cells suggesting that
C99 is a better γ-secretase substrate than C83. To further address this
question, cells were transfected with either wild type APP or the Swedish
APP (APP-Sw) mutant (1, 2.).
This FAD-associated mutant is more efficiently processed by b-secretase
giving rise to more C99 than wild type APP (Fig. 2F, right panel). Consistent
with our hypothesis, APP-Sw is more effectively degraded to AID polypeptides
(Fig. 2F, right panel) and possesses stronger pro-apoptotic activity (not
shown) than the wild type protein. Together, these data suggest a correlation
between the strength of the apoptotic signal and the processivity of APP
by γ-secretase.
The above results are compatible with the hypothesis that processing
of C99 by γ-secretase can produce APP fragment(s) with pro-apoptotic functions.
We therefore investigated whether one or both of the C99-derived fragments,
Aβ and AID, mediate the observed effect on PCD. As a large fraction of Aβ
is secreted upon production, we first tested whether FADD-induced cell death
was increased by the secretion of Aβ. To address this, Jurkat cells were
either labeled with the green fluorescent dye, CFSE, and cotransfected with
FADD and C99 (CFSE+) or remained unlabeled and transfected with FADD only
(CFSE-). The two populations were mixed immediately following transfection
and assessed for PCD. If the synergistic effect on apoptosis was a consequence
of Aβ secretion, then equivalent levels of cell death should be observed
in both CFSE+ and CFSE- populations. Regardless of cell ratio, apoptosis
was consistently observed in ~55% and ~35% of the CFSE+ and the CFSE- cells,
respectively (Fig. 3A). These results indicate that secreted Aβ does not
facilitate FADD-induced apoptosis. As an alternative approach, synthetic Aβ40 or Ab42 was directly added to Jurkat cells transfected with either
vector control or FADD. Our results show that the addition of Aβ in the
range of 5-10 mM did not reproduce the observed synergistic effects (Fig.
3B). Finally, as a further attempt to investigate whether Aβ synergizes
with FADD, we transfected Jurkat cells with a construct that encodes for
APPNcas. APPNcas represents the NH2-terminal fragment of APP generated by
caspase-6 cleavage (Fig. 1B) (21,
22,
23,
24)
and has been shown to generate higher levels of Aβ than full-length APP
(24). In agreement with the above studies, FADD-induced apoptosis
was not enhanced by APPNcas (Fig. 2C). Subsequently, we proceeded to test
whether the pro-apoptotic function of C99 was mediated by its cytoplasmic
tail, the putative AID peptide. To this end, we transfected a construct
encoding for AID into Jurkat cells either alone or with FADD and cell death
was measured both by DNA fragmentation (Fig. 2C) and PARP cleavage (Fig.
2D, right panel). Consistently, we observed that AID acted as a stronger
inducer of FADD-meditated apoptosis as compared to both APP and C99. Thus,
the synergistic effect of APP does not correlate with Aβ production, but
is rather mediated by the APP COOH-terminal tail.
Although enhanced cell death by AID required FADD in Jurkat cells, we
sought to determine whether overexpression of AID alone could trigger PCD
in other cell lines. HeLa and MCF7 cells were transfected with plasmids
encoding various APP-derived fragments fused to green fluorescent protein
(GFP) to directly visualize transfected cells. While overexpression of either
APP (Fig. 4 and 5B) or APPNcas (not shown) did not affect cell viability,
transfection of AID in either cell line consistently generated elevated levels of cell death (25-35%)
as defined by cell shrinkage and nuclear
condensation (Fig. 4 and 5B). From these studies, three lines of evidence
demonstrate that AID induces an apoptotic form of cell death. First, overexpression
of AID induced activation of caspases (Fig. 4C and D), which are cysteine
proteases that implement PCD (18).
Second, activation of caspases is required for the execution of cell death
since the caspase inhibitors zVAD-fmk, Crma, p35 and MC159 blocked AID-induced
apoptosis (Fig. 4A and B). Lastly, the anti-apoptotic protein Bcl-XL (Fig.
5B), a Bcl-2 family member, also inhibited AID-induced cell death.
C99 can be cleaved by the γ-secretase at two distinct positions to generate
either Aβ40 or Ab42. The corresponding AID fragments would comprise either
the 58 (AID59) or 56 (AID57) COOH-terminal amino acid of APP, respectively
(Fig. 5A). FAD mutations in APP and presenilins all result in a shift in
metabolism of APP such that more Aβ42 is produced. Consequently, increased
amounts of AID57 will be released in the cytosol. If the shorter AID57 peptides
were more toxic than the longer form, this could explain why APP and presenilins
FAD mutants have enhanced pro-apoptotic activity than the corresponding
wild type. To address this question, HeLa and MCF-7 cells were transfected
with vectors expressing either AID59 or AID57 and analyzed for cell death.
Strikingly, our data revealed that AID57 was significantly more potent than
AID59 in inducing PCD (Fig. 5B). Moreover, in a mouse motor neuronal cell
line (MN-1) (25),
similar results were observed. That is, AID57 was more effective than AID59
in promoting apoptosis.
Interestingly, in all three cells lines, overexpression of APPCcas, a
31 amino acid COOH-terminal fragment of APP released by caspase-6 cleavage
(Fig. 1B), was non-toxic. These results are contrary to those recently published
(26), which demonstrated that C31, a COOH-terminal polypeptide
corresponding to APPCcas, acts as an amplifier of PCD. We further addressed
this discrepancy by asking whether disruption of the caspase cleavage site
within the cytoplasmic tail of APP abrogates its inducing affect. A substitution
of an aspartic acid residue for an asparagine was introduced at position
664 in APP (APPD664N), AID59 (AID59mut) and AID57 (AID57mut), and subsequently
tested for cell death in Jurkat, HeLa and MCF-7 cells. In Jurkat cells,
overexpression of either APP full-length or AID57-containing mutants were
not compromised in their ability to augment FADD-induced apoptosis (Fig
5C). By contrast and in accordance with the above data, APPCcas was ineffective
in amplifying the effects of FADD on cell death. Also, comparable levels
of PCD were observed in HeLa cells bearing either AID57 or AID57mut (Fig.
5C). Lastly, both AID59 and AID59mut activated cell death in either HeLa
or MCF-7 cells (Fig. 5C). Together, these results support a prerequisite
for γ-secretase-mediated release of AID for induction of apoptosis, and,
moreover, argue against the requirement of further processing.
Although the knowledge available on APP processing argues that one AID
molecule must be produced for every Aβ peptide released (Fig. 1A), AID peptides
have never been described previously. To substantiate the physiological
and pathological significance of our findings, we investigated whether AID-like
peptides are present in post-mortem sporadic AD and normal brain tissues
(25-maldi) (27,
28,
29).
As shown in Fig. 5D, four AID peptides were isolated from these tissues.
These peptides were identified by MALDI-MS sequence analysis as AID fragments
that undergo further proteolysis in vivo at both the NH2- and COOH-terminus.
Here we show that a natural product of γ-secretase cleavage, the cytoplasmic
tail of APP, is a positive regulator of PCD. While in Jurkat cells it facilitates
FADD-dependent apoptosis, AID directly triggers PCD in HeLa, MCF7 and MN-1
cells. Whether this difference is cell-type dependent it remains to be investigated.
These data suggest that proteolysis of APP by secretases tunes the susceptibility
of cells to apoptosis. In this scenario, presenilins might facilitate PCD
by promoting cleavage of APP by the γ-secretase, thus governing the
amount of AID generated. The biological and pathological relevance of this
model is endorsed by the discovery that AID peptides are detected in normal
and sporadic AD brain. The functional consequences of APP processing described
above resembles that of Notch and Ire1, two other proteins whose processing
is controlled by presenilins (30);
release of the intracellular domain of Notch and Ire1 by cleavage within
the transmembrane region results in downstream effector function.
Could these findings be applied to the pathogenesis of Alzheimer's disease?
Our studies suggest that overproduction of AID, and especially the shorter
AID57 peptide, makes cells more sensitive to apoptotic stimuli. This may
add to the toxic burden caused by the amyloidogenic plaques and by Aβ released
in the endoplasmic reticulum (31),
further accelerating the neurodegenerative process observed in the brain
of Alzheimer's patients.
Figure 5

(A) γ-secretase cleavage of APP can occur at two
different positions. A cut occurring between residues 637-638(indicated
as β-40) gives rise to the short Aβ (Aβ40) and long AID (AID59). Conversely,
cleavage after residue 639 (indicated as g-42) yields the longer Aβ (Aβ42)
isoform and shorter AID (AID57) fragment (numbering is according
to the 695 amino acid long APP isoform). FAD mutations preferentially increase
cleavage after residue 639, which result in the production of the highly
amyloidogenic Ab42 peptide. In this model, we postulate that the resulting
AID57, is more damaging to cells than its longer AID59 counterpart.
Thus, FAD mutations will result in overproduction of two APP-derived peptides
that exert their neurotoxic action both intra- (AID57) and extracellularly
(Aβ42). Aβ peptides could also exert a pro-apoptotic activity that
requires caspase-12 in the endoplasmic reticulum (E.R.) compartment
(37). (B) (left panel) AID-induced apoptosis in MCF-7 cells
is inhibited by the anti-apoptotic protein Bcl-XL (data not shown for HeLa
and MN-1). Expression of an unrelated control protein (AIP1) did not influence
cell death. (Middle panel) AID57 induces significantly more apoptosis than
AID59 in HeLa cells (data not shown for MCF-7) (*P<0.05). Interestingly,
APPCcas, a caspase-6 derived fragment, representing the last 31 COOH-terminal
amino acids of APP (see fig. 1b), lacked pro-apoptotic activity. (Right
panel) AID57 is more effective than AID59 in promoting PCD in the mouse
motor neuronal cell line, MN-1. Note again, that APPCcas was not effective
in promoting apoptosis. (C) Disruption of the caspase cleavage site
within the cytoplasmic tail of APP and AID does not impair the execution
of cell death. APPD664N and AID57mut were transfected into Jurkat
cells (left panel) either alone (data not shown) or with FADD and analyzed
at the indicated time points for apoptosis. As compared to their non-mutant
counterparts, APPD664N and AID57mut were no different in their ability to
implement apoptosis. Conversely, overexpression of APPCcas exhibited negligible
effects on FADD-induced cell death. Note that the vector control
background was subtracted from each time point. In HeLa cells, overexpression
of either AID57mut (middle left panel) or AID59mut (middle right panel)
induced cell death to the same extent of their non-mutant counterparts,
whereas APPCcas was incapable in producing such effects. Similar results
were also obtained in MCF-7 cells (right panel) where overexpression of
AID59mut displayed comparable levels of cell death to AID59. (D)
AID-like peptides are present in normal and sporadic AD brain. Sequence
analysis of four peptides (peak 1-4) immunoprecipitated by the Jonas monoclonal
antibody, which are recognized on western blot by an anti-APP antiserum
(not shown) are compared to the sequences of AID59 and APPCcas. In the experiment
shown, a post-mortem brain tissue from a 72 years old AD patient was analyzed.
These AID-like peptides were also found in the three other post-mortem brains
that were examined. Two were from normal controls (45 and 51 years of age)
and one other AD (65 years of age).
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Transcript
Live discussion held on 20 September 2000 and moderated by Benjamin Wolozin.
Participants: Benjamin Wolozin, Luciano D'Adamio, Ed Koo,
Mark Smith, Donna McPhie, Soshi, Guest 3, June Kinoshita.
Note: Transcript has been edited for clarity and accuracy.
BWolozin: Okay, I believe that I am moderating this session, so let's
Begin.
Eddie Koo: Good morning to everyone. It's still kind of early here.
BWolozin: Luciano, perhaps you could begin by stating your hypothesis.
Luciano: OK Ben. We are studying the role of the three FAD genes in the
regulation of programmed cell death. Initially, we isolated a dominant negative
form of ALG3 as an inhibitor of Fas-induced apoptosis. ALG3 is lso an inhibitor
of the gamma secretase activity mediated by presenilins. The model we propose
in this manuscript is that presenillins regulate the sensitivity of cells
to apoptosis by controlling the release of the intracellular APP domain,
that we have named AID. This biological role of presenilins and APP might
underlie the pathogenic mechanisms of AD. In fact, conditions that cause
increased APP processing cause AD but also sensitize cells to apoptosis
by increasing the amount of AID that is produced.
MSmith: Hello everyone...is Perry on line?
June Kinoshita: No. He's in Italy... must be off having a bottle of Chianti.
Just for clarification, is AID a precursor of C31, or is it the same thing
called by two names?
Luciano: AID is the intracellular (c-terminal) APP fragment generated
by gamma secretase (59 AA long). C31 represents the last 31 amino acids
of AID.
Eddie Koo: Any APP C-terminal fragment is a potential precursor of C31.
We never tested AID as the precursor, but certainly C99/C100 and C83 are
precursors. No reason why AID cannot be but detecting the fragment of AID
cleaved by caspase would be exceedingly difficult.
Eddie Koo: Luciano's hypothesis is consistent to what's been proposed
by others. We know neurons die in AD but how and why is the $64[K] question.
June Kinoshita: There appears to be a growing family of APP-derived fragments
that have toxic effects in vitro.
Eddie Koo: Luciano's results are quite interesting. Between the original
results of Bruce Yankner and Rachael Neve, followed by all the other C99/C100
toxicity, our caspase results, and Luciano's AID all suggest that in vitro
at least, something funky is going on in the C-terminus.
June Kinoshita: That is, there's more to it than just Aβ?
Eddie Koo: Well, June, that's also part of the equation. Is it just Aβ
or more than Aβ. Although Luciano's results are different from ours,
neither of our results implicates Aβ directly.
Luciano: Our studies indicate that the processing of APP, and in particular,
the fragments released by gamma secretase have the biological role of modulating
the threshold of cells to cell death.
Luciano: I agree with Eddie's remarks. Our results indicate that the
last 31 C-terminal amino acids of APP are inert with regards to apoptosis.
However, something is going with this C-terminal region of APP. The important
concept is that gamma secretase can regulate programmed cell death.
MSmith: Luciano.....In vitro or in vivo?
Luciano: Mark, I think in vivo.
June Kinoshita: So this C31 (if I may call it that) fragment doesn't directly
interact with an apoptotic pathway, but potentiates it?
Eddie Koo: Our original interpretation of the results is that C31, when
formed, potentiates cell death. Luciano's experiments are the first to attempt
at repeating our experiments and unfortunately is negative. But the conditions
are not the same as ours.
Luciano: I agree with Eddie that the systems are different. We can't
exclude that C31 has proapoptotic activity. In our hands it doesn't, while
AID is highly toxic. We think that processing of AID by caspases represents
a negative feedback mechanism that inhibits the toxicity of AID.
Eddie Koo: I don't understand Luciano's comment about negative feedback.
If that's the case, then the AID mutant that cannnot be cleaved by caspase
should be altered, which I believe is not.
Luciano: Eddie, the AID mutants (that can't be cleaved by caspases) are,
in our hands, always more toxic. We are now attempting to quantitate this
difference by using systems other than transient transfection.
June Kinoshita: Is there any evidence to support an in vivo role for C31?
Eddie Koo: We can only see the hallmark of APP caspase cleavage in AD
brains.
Soshi: Do any of these toxic peptides occur in vivo at levels that can
cause apoptosis? All in vitro experiments [involve] overexpression.
Eddie Koo: I agree with Soshi. The potential achilles heel of all the
experiments is the overexpression. Where this fits in physiological levels
is totally unknown.
Luciano: Soshi, this is an important question. The problem is that AID
has a half-life of only ten minutes, so it is very difficult to quantitate. Besides the experimental differences, we agree with Eddie that
the C-terminal APP region has important signalling properties that regulate
apoptosis.
Eddie Koo: The one argument against AID in vivo is that in the PS knock
in animals, Bob Siman cannot see any cell death. Thus, when more gamma 42
cleavage occurs, it doesn't seem to matter, at least to mouse neurons.
June Kinoshita: What differences might be critical between Eddie's experiments
and Luciano's?
Soshi: I think the only toxic peptide known at high levels in brain is
β amyloid. What does Dr. Koo think?
MSmith: Is amyloid toxic?
June Kinoshita: There you go again, Mark!
June Kinoshita smiles
Eddie Koo: I'm not really in the Aβ toxicity camp. I cannot believe
for that amount of amyloid load in brain, the "toxicity" is really
not that substantial in my mind.
Luciano: Yes, Eddie. I think the FAD mutations alter AID production to
a measure that is not sufficient to directly kill neurons (otherwise these
mutations would not be compatible with life). They might just make neurons
more sensitive to apoptotic stimuli, i.e. you might need to trigger apoptosis
to see any differences.
Eddie Koo: The key issue is that neurons are dying somehow, regardless
of the artificial necrosis or apoptosis distinction. I think Aβ toxicity,
if true, is only part of the answer.
Eddie Koo: Back to Bob Siman's animals: he reported that he was unable
to kill the neurons with the insults he used. I cannot recall but probably
excitotoxicity, ischemia, etc. But the neurons did not appear sensitized.
Although Mark Mattson did report some sensitivity in his knock in animals,
the changes were subtle.
Luciano: Our data do not exclude a role for Aβ;. They suggest that
another APP-derived peptide (AID), which is stoichiometrically produced
along with Aβ, is toxic and might participate in the neurotoxicity in
AD.
Eddie Koo: I would say Luciano's statement is a good summary and a very
reasonable interpretation. The $64K again is which of the several in vitro
models are physiologically relevant. And this, I don't think anyone can
say yet.
MSmith: Sorry guys..this computer is driving me crazy....would love to
stay and discuss the nuances of amyloid toxicity (sic) and rampant apoptotic
cell death in AD (double sic!) but cannot see what you are all saying...toodle
pip!
Luciano:Eddie: Did Bob Siman's animals show plaques or neurological symptoms?
Eddie Koo: Bob Siman's animals were quite normal. But he recently crossed
them to APP knock-in swedish animals and plaques formed early. I would be
curious to see what they show when the analysis is completed.
Luciano: Yes. It would also be interesting to see if they now show more
sensitivity to apoptosis.
June Kinoshita: Are you looking in human AD brain tissue for these fragments,
or are they too transient to be seen postmortem?
Luciano: We reported in our JAD paper the isolation of AID-like peptides
from the brains of normal and sporadic AD patients. Postmortem analysis
is always tricky. It is difficult to distinguish between cause and effect,
that is, pathogenetic mechanisms versus protective responses of the organism
Soshi: If C-terminal fragments are toxic, then why is the Swedish family
with a ten-fold increase in gamma secretase ok until there are amyloid deposits?
Data seem to support amyloid deposits.
Eddie Koo: But in the swedish mutation, 40 and 42 ratio is the same.
So I assume Luciano can argue that there is no preferential increase in
the 42 AID form.
Luciano: Soshi, they don't show symptoms till enough neurons are eliminated.
Eddie Koo: Others would argue that it is synapse loss, which precedes
neurons loss, that is the early and more important substrate for clinical
symptoms.
Soshi: Dr. D'Adamio, where in the cell is GFP AID fragment found?
Luciano: We saw AID everywhere---in all cell compartments.
Ben: Luciano - how might you relate the AID to early synaptic loss?
Luciano: Early synaptic loss could be mediated by a local activation
of apoptotic mechanisms
Eddie Koo: With regard to postmortem brain, Andrea LeBlanc reported in
D.C. that she sees more caspase activation in AD (I think caspase 6), as
we showed with caspase 9. But again, there's smoke but no gun.
Ben: I guess the critical question is developing the right model system.
Luciano: Yes, Ben, you are right.
Eddie Koo: Ben, got any ideas which is the right model?
Luciano: The right model? That's a tricky question. AD is defined by
the presence of plaques. Therefore, if you generate the symptoms of AD but
not the plaques: would that be considered a relevant AD model ? (I think
it should).
Ben: Eddie or Luciano, any thoughts about the relevence of that NGF deprivation
model? There certainly would be apoptosis there.
Luciano: Yes, and as we showed together, Ben, it requires presenilins
and APP.
Eddie Koo: Gene Johnson has certainly developed that model elegantly.
But I don't know whether you can extend what happens in the sympathetic
ganglia to the CNS. I don't know how much has been examined in the basal
forebrain.
Ben: I guess the thing that strikes me in favor of Aβ is that in
disease after disease, aggregation is the major problem.
Luciano: Are you referring to the Danish and British dementia ?
Ben: BDI, Huntington's, Parkinson's, ALS, etc. So MANY diseases have
aggregates.
Luciano: Yes, but in which of these diseases have the aggregates been
shown to be the cause of the disease ?
Ben: In Huntington's, the aggregate does not cause the disease, but the
micro-aggregate (oligomer) seems to bind caspases. In PD, the aggregate
is associated with death of dopaminergic neurons.
June Kinoshita: I thought the evidence in Huntington's is pretty strong,
at least based on the reversal of symptoms in the mouse models when the
expression of the mutant huntingtin is turned off and the inclusions go
away.
Soshi: World Alzheimer Congress meeting data suggest that Aβ vaccine
makes improvement in memory testing but no effect on Aβ levels - just
Aβ aggregation. Please comment.
Ben: The only way to PROVE causation is to induce and reverse the aggregate.
Soshi's comment is very appropriate.
Eddie Koo: In this regard, Lennart Mucke's recent paper comparing the
APP and APP 717 mutant is quite informative. His group showed that synaptophysin
loss can occur without plaques. It's how much 42 that's around. One can
also interpret this in favor of Lucian's AID. Back to Ben's earlier statement,
there is at least this instance where plaque aggregates are not so abundant.
Luciano: Soshi: In my opinion, there are several possibilities: for example,
the polyclonal antibody response may recognize membrane bound APP and affect
APP signalling through its cytoplasmic tail.
Ben: Luciano - the membrane bound APP would be intracellular.
June Kinoshita: {public msg} There is also the work from Dean Hartley and
Bill Klein suggesting that non-aggregated forms of Aβ may be important.
Soshi: Is Mucke mouse a good model? Mouse already a stupid animal
Eddie Koo: At least in that paper, the stupidity of mice was not an issue.
Ben:Perhaps it was the stupidity of the reviewers!
June Kinoshita laughs hysterically
Luciano: Ours and Eddie's data show toxicity of the c-terminal region
of APP. They also show that gamma secretase generates toxic intracellular
peptides
Luciano: It is difficult to assume these peptides have no role in AD
development.
Luciano: Ben: There is some APP at the cell surface as well.
Ben: Yes, but not the majority. OK Luciano - here is the question. What
would constitute proof for AID in your mind?
Luciano: Ben: I think the development of an animal model in which you
recapitulate symptoms, intracellular paired helical filaments and neuronal
loss.
Ben: Don't the symptoms include plaques? Guest 3, will you identify yourself?
Eddie Koo: Guest 3 must be deep throat.
June Kinoshita: A spy from the NIH?
Ben: Must be Harold Varmus...........Hi Harold!!
Luciano: Behavioral symptoms. Plaques are histopathology. Harold has followed me to New York!!
Ben: But many things mimic the behavioral symptoms. A hippocampal lesion
will give that. Even in Harold in NYC.
June Kinoshita: Poor Harold!
June Kinoshita: What about subtler aspects of neuronal dysfunction that
precede neuronal death?
Luciano: June, neuronal dysfunction may be the consequence of activation
of cell death in peripheral extensions of neurons. Also, it might be the
consequence of attempts of cells to block apoptosis.
Eddie Koo: Didn't Dennis Dickson and the Mayo group report the NFT (tau
mutant) crossed with the APP mice develop both tangles and palques? I seem
to recall something about his saying APP increases the tau pathology but
I can't remember precisely. Too much booze at the WAC
Ben: Hmm.....don't remember, but sounds believable. My sense is that
many groups are seeing associated memory deficits.
Eddie Koo: Luciano, do you have any idea as to how AID works? What does
AID activate? Your bcl-2 effects are similar to ours with C31.
Luciano: We have found several AID interacting proteins. Some of those
are good candidates as mediators of AID induced cell death.
Eddie Koo: Luciano, are these interacting proteins different to what's
been reported to bind the APP C-terminus? There are a bunch of them, some
already hypothesized to be associated with increased cell death, like the
G proteins.
Luciano:Yes. We have some new interesting candidates.
Eddie Koo: I need a deep throat in Luciano's lab.
Eddie Koo grins evilly
Luciano: It's the guy who is typing !
mcphie enters
Eddie Koo: Dr. McPhie, do you have any thoughts about this issue.? Rachael
[Neve] obviously has worked with C100 for sometime.
June Kinoshita: Donna might want to comment on C-terminus-binding proteins
as well.
mcphie leaves
June Kinoshita: Woops, looks like Donna is having problems with her system
too.
Luciano: I think another important issue is: how is Aβ and AID generation
(i.e. gamma secretase activity) regulated?
Ben: Yes, separate from whether Aβ or AID are the cause of AD, abnormal
regulation must be somehow connected to the aging process.
June Kinoshita: So what enzyme cleaves the AID (C59) fragment to make
C31?
Luciano: Caspases
Eddie Koo: The assumption from our data is caspase 8 and caspase 9 are
required. We don't know which is the actual caspase.
Luciano: This is an important distinction because AID toxicity would
imply gamma secretase as a regulator of programmed cell death. Caspases
that generate C31 are already known to play a pivotal role in apoptosis.
Ben: Luciano, since PS2 is more closely connected to apoptosis - perhaps
PS2 is more important for generating AID during proapoptotic conditions,
and PS1 is more important under basal conditions. What do you think?
Luciano: Ben: This is an interesting possibility.
Ben: You should look at AID generation in cells lacking PS1 or cells
lacking PS2.
Eddie Koo: So Luciano, have you done this experiment: express C99 in
the setting of gamma-secretase inhibitor?
Luciano: We have been unable to obtain gamma secretase inhibitors from
Merck. I am sure that Michael Wolfe will be kind enough to give us the reagents!
Eddie Koo: Ironically, in most if not all the studies with toxicity associated
with APP C-terminus, none of the results are mutually exclusive. They could
all be operating to some degree.
June Kinoshita: I wish Donna were here. I believe she and Rachael have
found in their C100 cell cultures that gamma secretase inhibitors led to
increased cell death.
Eddie Koo: I own no Merck stocks so you'll have to ask Mike and Dennis
[Selkoe]. I am under the impression that Mike's inhibitors are also somewhat
toxic.
Luciano: The important thing is that, initially, we cloned a C-terminal
fragment of PS2 (ALG-3) as an inhibitor of fas-induced cell death. Now,
we know that ALG-3 blocks gamma secretase activity and that's why it inihibits
cell death
Ben: I have to run off to another meeting. Ciao!!
Ben bows gracefully
June Kinoshita: Thanks so much, Ben!
June Kinoshita: Any closing remarks?
Eddie Koo: It will be fun to see how the C-terminal toxicity plays out.
Luciano: Yes, June, I think the field should give more space to alternative
hypotheses and possibilities. It is difficult to sell at any level data
that does not directly supports the Aβ hypothesis and that is unfortunate.
Ben: Hmm.....No great wisdom. I really think the challenge, as always,
is to examine the issues in a way that can exclude possibilities (e.g.,
Aβ toxicity or AID toxicity).
Luciano: I think we have to understand the mechanisms by which AID induces
cell death. Second, we need to understand the mechanisms that regulate C99
processing and gamma secretase activity.
June Kinoshita: Thank you for participating today.
Eddie Koo: Gotta run, thanks for organizing this, June and Ben. And to
Luciano for an interesting paper.
Ben: Eddie - I agree. Initially I was very enamored with apoptosis, but
now I am more enamored with the idea of rust (e.g., cars die because of
rust, etc). Ciao!
Luciano: Thanks to everyone for an interesting discussion !!
Ben: Thank you June and thanks Luciano and Eddie and Guest 3...........by
Harold!
Luciano: Ben, the rust is due to oxidation.