Q&A With Panelists
Q: Why did you look during gestation day 17 (GD17), and why did you use polyI:C?
Irene Knuesel: The GD17 period of embryonic development is characterized by the onset of synaptogenesis as shown morphologically, as well as by the induction of several genes involved in synaptogenesis. Our previous studies confirmed that disturbances during this crucial developmental phase result in long-term neurochemical and behavioral changes in the offspring: Offspring of GD17 immune-challenged mouse dams show cognitive impairments and reduction in neurogenesis in adulthood as compared to those challenged with saline controls (Meyer et al., 2006; Meyer et al., 2008). We therefore reasoned that these mice could be ideal to test the concept of “cognitive reserve,” i.e., the hypothesis that neuronal networks that are less efficient or have lower capacity may be more vulnerable to disruption, for example, induced by chronic inflammatory conditions.
GD17 is also a time window when microglia populate the embryonic brain, i.e., the initiation of embryonic innate immunity. In contrast to GD9, late-gestational embryos also contribute to the cytokine response triggered by polyI:C (Meyer et al., 2006). Work from Paul Patterson’s lab also confirmed that the GD9-treated offspring—in contrast to the GD17—do not show long-term changes in several cytokines and chemokines in adulthood.
PolyI:C, a synthetic, double-stranded RNA (mimicking RNA viruses) has been widely used to induce Toll-like receptor 3-mediated cytokine/chemokine expression in both in-vitro and in-vivo applications. It is conceivable that a bacterial-like infection has similar long-lasting effects. However, we have not tested this in our mice.
Q: Does a second polyI:C stimulus cause cognitive impairments in APP mice?
Irene Knuesel: We did not apply multiple polyI:C stimuli so far to the TgAD mice, and therefore cannot answer this highly relevant question.
We applied a prenatal infection to our TgAD mice (ArcAβ and 3xTgAD lines). This manipulation resulted in a mild acceleration of the plaque pathology; however, genetic factors (i.e., promoters) appeared to be the more prominent driver for the plaque initiation. Based on these findings, we applied adult systemic infections to the TgAD mice to test the hypothesis that the progression of the pathology may be affected by the immune challenge. And as highlighted in our paper (Krstic et al., 2012), it indeed does! So it appears as if the immune challenge during adulthood/aging aggravates the neuropathology in predisposed mice (i.e., wild-type mice exposed to a prenatal immune challenge and Tg mice harboring a genetic “predisposition”).
Q: How does CD45 microglial reactivity or Iba/1 microglial signal change after a second polyI:C stimulus in APP mice?
Irene Knuesel: See my answer above: So far, we did not apply multiple immune challenges in TgAD mice. I expect also an aggravation of both the neuropathology and the cognitive performance. We should definitively test this experimentally.
Q: What makes this proposed mechanism specific to Alzheimer's disease?
Irene Knuesel: Considering the overlap between neuropathological hallmarks and the development of dementia in late-onset neurodegenerative diseases, it is tempting to speculate that the hypothetical sequence of events proposed in our review is not specific to late-onset Alzheimer’s disease, but relevant for other aging-associated forms of neurodegenerative diseases as well, such as Parkinson’s disease or frontotemporal dementia. It is conceivable that the initiating event in elderly individuals with their unique life history is completely stochastic. Based on the selective connectivity of the affected groups of neurons, the progression of the disease (and accumulation of distinct aggregation-prone proteins), and hence the behavioral symptoms, might then follow a different path and culminate in an AD, PD, or FTD phenotype.
Q: A provocative question to all. To date, we have been able to cure "AD" more than 300 times in mice, but zero times in humans. In light of data from Streit (Streit et al., 2009) showing that microglia in AD patients appear dystrophic rather than activated, do you think that the data on microglia in AD transgenic mice, which look healthy and activated, translate into patients?
Terrence Town: I agree that it has been difficult to translate results from transgenic mouse models into therapies for human AD. In my mind, at least, this is why we need much better, and more stringent, AD animal models. Developing such models may necessitate changing the species, and my group is currently working on a rat model that seems to recapitulate most—if not all—of the pathophysiologic hallmarks of the disease. Regarding the comment about microglia, this is a somewhat controversial area. In humans, some (like Streit) maintain that microglia are senescent, while others have evidence for activation of these cells. I’m not sure I agree that the microglia in the transgenics are "healthy," though. By immune/inflammatory markers and morphology, these cells appear to be in a proinflammatory state.
Frank Heppner: This is an important and often overlooked point. Although microglia in AD transgenic mouse models don’t exhibit the same morphological characteristics described by Streit et al., this is likely because the lifespan of mice is too short for these changes to occur and become fully transparent. However, data published by the same group (Flanary et al. 2007) show that rodents do exhibit signs of cellular senescence in the form of age-related attrition of microglia telomeres, for example, and unpublished microarray studies by our group analyzing isolated microglia show that microglia in AD mouse models do exhibit accelerated age-related genetic changes. Furthermore, using in-vivo and ex-vivo analyses, we have tested microglia functions (phagocytosis, environmental surveillance, and response towards injury) and found that microglia functions progressively decline during the course of AD-like pathology, and that this decline relates to the extent of amyloid plaque burden (Krabbe et al., submitted for publication). This would suggest that, although microglia in transgenic mouse models are not fully "senescent," processes similar to those in the human condition are likely at play; i.e., microglia in AD mouse models display a phenotype best characterized as dysfunction/lack of function. So, while animal models cannot fully mimic the human condition, even in this aspect, there is likely much to learn from them, though admittedly, a great deal of work to do.
Q: I have not heard much about the blood-brain barrier (BBB) in neuroinflammation in AD, or about trauma as the most prominent environmental risk factor for AD. Can the speakers address?
Irene Knuesel: The experimental approaches with regard to the BBB in AD have mainly centered on the effect of Aβ on integrity and functions of the barrier. It would be very relevant to address how chronic inflammatory conditions and aging alter astrocytic functions at the BBB. Although it is well known that disruption of the BBB induces a strong neuroinflammatory reaction and oxidative stress, it is equally conceivable that the decline in glial support and protection during aging might be accelerated by chronic neuroinflammatory stimuli, and then that might trigger the breakdown of the BBB in advanced/late stages of AD.
Accumulating experimental evidence from clinical and preclinical studies suggests that in traumatic brain injury (TBI) models, there is a substantial increase in APP expression and accumulation at the sites of injury, accompanied by a local increase in Aβ production and amyloid plaque deposition (Stone et al., 2001; Smith et al., 2003). Interestingly, ApoE4 carriers have a significantly increased risk to develop dementia after head injury (e.g., Sundstrom et al., 2007), indicating that the recovery from neuronal damage is profoundly impaired in these individuals. These findings are in line with our model highlighting the putative difference between ApoE4 and ApoE3 carriers with respect to counteractive and protection mechanisms that prevent the spread of axonal leakage to neighboring neurons. Of interest are also the findings from animal models that show TBI-induced synaptic degeneration in APP knockout and impaired regeneration in ApoE4 knock-in mice, pointing to the fundamental role of ApoE and APP in stress-related neuronal repair and protection.
Q: What happens if you will be able to knock out the microglia?
Terrence Town: This question is probably best addressed by Frank Heppner, who has done this very experiment in transgenic mice. Much to our surprise, nothing happened in terms of amyloid pathology!
Frank Heppner: We have done this experiment (Grathwohl et al., 2009; and see ARF related news story), temporarily ablating microglia for up to 30 days. To our surprise, this manipulation—at least in APP/PS1 mice (Radde et al., 2006)—did not affect formation and maintenance of β amyloid plaques. Since our approach to deplete microglia in vivo does not allow for longer time periods of microglia ablation, we cannot test what happens when microglia are gone for a prolonged period of time (i.e., >30 days). Thus, one should (and must) not conclude from these experiments that microglia do not play a role in AD pathogenesis! In my opinion, it very much depends on how long microglia can (or cannot) act, and when they can (or cannot) act. Beyond that, we also must keep in mind that the picture may look different in other AD-like models.
Q: I'm concerned with the staging argument with respect to therapy. We need to keep in mind that this is a progressive disorder with different regions of the brain existing at different stages at a single point in time. The net effects of anti-inflammatory therapies may be helpful and harmful with regional specificity. Comments?
Terrence Town: I think this is an excellent point, and a very real possibility. We now know that microglia and macrophages have different ways of handling Aβ—for example, Gary Landreth and others have shown that fibrillar Aβ is cleared through receptor-mediated phagocytosis, while soluble forms of the peptide rely on fluid phase macropinocytosis for clearance. Further, we know that Aβ is a meta-stable peptide, existing in different forms simultaneously throughout the brain. Given this, it is entirely possible that a particular microglia-targeted therapy may be beneficial in one brain region, but have limited or even detrimental effect in another brain area. But, rather than a negative, I see your question as a positive—an opportunity for basic biologic investigation into mechanisms of microglia-targeted therapeutics.
Q: Thanks for this highly interesting Webinar. There are some studies indicating that mutated presenilins may have a direct effect on microglial reactivity capacities. Could you comment on whether PS/APP or 3xTg mice are good models for microglial analysis?
Terrence Town: That is correct—there is evidence that mutant presenilins impact immune system function and inflammation. In terms of the transgenics, though, to the extent that we seek to model familial AD, we are left to rely on the presenilins and APP. I think it’s a reasonable assumption that effects of mutant presenilin/APP on microglia in the animal models would approximate similar effects in brains of familial AD patients.
Frank Heppner: Depending on the promoter used, some mouse models are probably not good for the study of microglia function. For example, work by Sam Sisodia (Choi et al., 2008) showed that microglia in mice expressing human presenilin 1 variants linked to FAD under the prion promoter exhibited impaired neurogenesis, which turned out to be due to alterations in microglia function resulting from transgene expression in these cells. The neurogenesis phenomenon may or may not translate to humans. Thus, a careful selection of the transgenic model of choice is required. In these instances, I feel that we still can learn a lot from these models, despite the limitation that a model is just a model…. Moreover, Irene Knuesel’s gestation day 17 (GD17) polyI:C model (Krstic et al., 2012) may also add to the repertoire of available models for assessing microglia function in AD.
Q: This is quite interesting. What are the implications for therapy? One would think that the anti-amyloid antibodies would produce some level of inflammation and make patients worse. But, this doesn't seem to happen. The antibodies seem to do nothing. Similarly, COX2 inhibitors, which are anti-inflammatory, don't seem to offer any benefit.
Terrence Town: Actually, the Elan/Wyeth AN1792 immunotherapy trial was halted when ~6 percent of patients developed a severe form of brain inflammation known as aseptic meningoencephalitis—so, at least in a subset of patients, inflammation was provoked by the treatment. Despite this, some of the patients clearly showed evidence of plaque removal upon pathological investigation, as detailed by James Nicoll and colleagues.
Q: What is your view of the dual effect of inflammation: beneficial versus deleterious?
Terrence Town: This is a key question, and the answer can likely be summed up in three words: context, context, context…! What we are starting to see is that a number of factors conspire to determine whether a particular inflammatory stressor leads to a beneficial or detrimental response. For example, the timing, duration, and particular inflammatory cascade(s) activated all play into the type of inflammatory response. Embedded within your question is a call for deep, basic biological investigation into which pathways are beneficial, so that we may use this knowledge to inform microglial-directed therapeutic strategies in moving forward.
Irene Knuesel: Couldn’t agree more: We need more investigations into the role of microglia during physiological and pathophysiological forms of aging in order to understand their protective and potentially harmful effects on neurons.
Frank Heppner: First of all, it is important to note that inflammation already implies a rather adverse status of the immune system; we should rather use terms such as “modulation” or “skewing” of the immune system. On top of that, as pointed out on my final slide in the Webinar, I think it very much depends when certain immune molecules (including those which are microglia derived) act, and for how long they act in the course of the disease. In turn, it matters which specific immune components will be manipulated, when, and for how long. Thus, we need to dissect the impact of distinct immune components, molecules, and pathways in much more detail, in a fashion similar to what we have done most recently (Vom Berg et al., 2012 and see ARF related news story). Consequently, there is probably no such thing as exclusively “good“ or “bad“ microglia/state of the immune system/“inflammation” in AD.
Q: Does the presence of acetylcholine influence microglia cells in AD by suppression or activation?
Irene Knuesel: It is known that the α7-containing nicotinic acetylcholine receptors (α7nAChRs) exert anti-inflammatory properties via vagal nerve-mediated reduction of TNF-α release from peripheral macrophages (see Wang et al., 2003). Recent evidence suggests that nAChRs may also exert neuroprotection in mouse models of Parkinson’s disease and in experimental brain injuries (Liu et al., 2012; Hijioka et al., 2012). However, it is currently unclear whether this involves the modulation of microglia or astrocyte function, or whether α7nAChRs' actions are independent of its anti-inflammatory actions. Clearly, more investigations need to be done to understand direct and indirect effects of the cholinergic system on glia functions.
Q: What about high-pathology controls—30 percent of aged, non-demented individuals who have brains full of pathology?
Terrence Town: High-pathology controls are a terribly interesting cohort. However, there is an alternate interpretation for these individuals. Perhaps they have certain protective alleles that, despite the presence of AD-type neuropathological lesions, guard against cognitive decline. I think it would be extremely useful to apply genomewide approaches in this interesting group to determine exactly which modifier genes play a role in protection against dementia.
Irene Knuesel: I fully agree that these individuals are most fascinating because of their—obvious—neuroprotective/repair/defense strategies during brain aging.
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